what's un-american about raising taxes? >> look, no one likes -- the same way that no one likes spending cuts and don't forget the complaints about the -- if you're going to complain about the deficit or be worried about it, you can't say i'm worried about the deficit but don't do this. >> bill: right. >> i don't want to pay anymore which i hear a lot. i don't want to pay anymore either but i also would like to get us out -- >> bill: i don't want to pay anymore but i'm glad to pay my fair share and i do. >> that's the way i feel when i do my tax returns every year. this is a pain but i'm happy to do it and i actually think i get a lot of value for what i pay. >> bill: they say we're doing this in the legacy of ronald reagan. bull you know what. ronald reagan raised taxes five times. >> reagan would have no place in the current republican party given some of the things they did. grover norquist holds him up as an icon. grover is in a completely different place than he is on taxes. >> bill: why don't the media expose these pe